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by dettmarp

In response to the previous 2 posts:

I completely understand that the definition is debatable, but I provided opinions of others that helped support my point, since nothing definitive is available.

I don't see "point salad" as a negative or decisive term, but that would explain the push back about it.

I still maintain that most of what you do in building your farm will get you points. No, extra resources are not worth points, but there are significant amount of uncoupled ways to get points. Even when youcook that sheep, you're gaining points; if a sheep is worth 2 points, and I cook it and eat it to avoid losing 3 points, I've gained 1 point but taking that action.

The mechanisms for scoring absolutely are disconnected. Your sheep don't effect your boars, which don't effect your cows, which don't effect your wheat or vegetable shores, which makes no difference to your house score. The only coupled shooting mechanism is feeding, which is relatedto everything (bigger house, larger familyto feed, which eats your animals and vegetables). I can plow a field and earn points without ever passing on itand itwill still earn me points, same goes with fencing pastures, so th these mechanisms are only half coupled.

I found your explanation interesting, but I still disagree

I think our big difference in option comes from 2 things:

1. I don't think "point salad" is a bad thing, and so I have no hesitation I placing that label on a good game

2. I don't think that the legwork you mentioned (which I totally agree with) negates the "point salad" definition (at least not the definition I've chosen to agree with).

Edit: I also think "spreadsheet game" is a very strong indicator that it is also a "point salad" game. I'd even go as far as to say that they are essentially the same thing in my mind, although you can be a point salad without being spreadsheet, but not the other way around.

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