by Vukozec
Qumad wrote:
Vukozec wrote:
Some cards (keys from base game, other from expansions) can give you information what cards are on top or at the bottom of the deck, so ignoring the reshuffling when you have that information helps you and it is aginst the rules.
If you are not going to use the key as a prophecy there is no need to shuffle the limbo (?)
When you are planing on using a key as a prophecy, then I agree that you have to shufle the limbo pile first (and that is also what I do).
Let's say you are playing with The Glyphs and Book of Steps expansions. You play a Glyph card and, as a result, after that you will know what 4 or 5 cards are at the bottom of the deck. You continue playing, find a door, leave it in the limbo following your method and continue playing. At one point you decide that you will play a Paradoxical Prophecy which allows you to put one card of the bottom five at the top of the deck. Since, because of the previously played Glyph card, you know exactly which cards are at the bottom, you know exactly which card you want to use. For example, you may want to take a sun or moon card that you need to finish a row of 3 that you have started to build in the meantime (there are no keys at all in this example). But all this would be against the rules, because rules state that you need to reshuffle immediately after you have filled your hand back to 5 and there are cards in the limbo.
The example I just gave, when I need to reshuffle when I would rather not (when I would prefer keeping the order of bottom cards) has happened to me many times.
Another example, with just the basic deck, is this: you play a key, look at the top 5 cards, discard one. Among other 4 is a door. You put that 4 cards beck on the deck, so the door is on the top. You draw a door, then draw next card. Now you have a door in a limbo and you have refilled your hand. Rules say you now must reshuffle, you cannot keep on playing and draw next two cards which you already know.
Qumad wrote:
Vukozec wrote:
And this would be wrong:
No. You must first fill you hand COMPLETELY until you have 5 cards and only THEN you reshuffle the limbo.
Qumad wrote:
There is one think you'd have to watch out for tho, and that is if you where to draw 2 cards, and draw a Key-card that matches a door in your Limbo-pile on your first card, then you would have to shuffle the Limbo pile before drawing your last card.
No. You must first fill you hand COMPLETELY until you have 5 cards and only THEN you reshuffle the limbo.
You are taking that quote out of context/misunderstanding it.
It's based on the previous part of my post, that you are not shuffling your limbo pile unless you have to.
So if you got a green door in you limbo pile from a previous round, then this round you have to draw 2 cards and you draw a green key on your first card, then you shufle in the green door (and potential other doors) _from previous rounds_ so that you have a chanse of drawing that as your second card.
Ofcause you would not shuffle any cards you added to the limbo pile this round.
There is no need in shuffle just to shuffle.
I think my asumtions are correct (?)
Ok, bolded section makes it more clear what you've meant, but keeping track of all this would IMHO, be bigger of annoyance than just shuffling when is time for shuffle following regular rules (and Kris has already given an example why this changes the odds in your advantage).
Here is another example, in this case, you may rather prefer that door from limbo is already reshuffled back in the deck: you draw a nightmare and decide that you will resolve it by discard top 5 cards from the deck. The door you have left in the limbo shuld be in the deck so you have a chance to draw it as one of the 5 cards for resolving a nightmare. Since doors which are drawn during resolving a nigtmare are put back in the limbo, it is usually useful to draw them instead of location cards which you have to discard, and by keeping door(s) card(s) in limbo you are lowering your chances to do it.
I hope my examples make sense :)