by ecm85
[o]Got a couple questions about Hollow Men.Firstly, how do they interact with Havens? The first time you get the option to move them to Havens, it says they're defecting. While that's the case, do they reduce the population of the havens at the end of the game?
What about the same thing in subsequent games?
Also, do they give exposure if you leave a haven with them in it?
Lastly, is there some rule we missed that makes people not run into the 'running out of hollow men' condition? We just played early December and got overrun with Hollow Men. We lost from having to put out a Hollow Men and being out of them (on the very turn we would have delivered the cure!!). The only way to remove them is saboteur, right? We actually had the misfortune of covering up that ability with the scar for the cure (we didn't realize the Hollow Men would be such an issue). I've seen a number of people mention losing Early December on cubes - but the ability to block cube loss by discarding cubes (granted by Topaz, iirc) seems really strong. So I find it interesting that I haven't seen many reports of Hollow Men-caused loss, but more reports of cube loss. Any tips before we do Late December? We're definitely going to give the cure to the character that can take cards from the discard, which should let us do it significantly faster, but I'd like to know if we're faffing up the Hollow Men somehow.[/o]