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Reply: Agricola:: General:: Re: To Draft or Not to Draft
by astroglide
medievalbanquet wrote:
Interesting. I don't think Agricola is about the card interactions. In fact, if it was I would think Uwe would have put in a mechanic (possibly a draft) to insure that this was the case. Instead, he didn't. That is a LOT of information for you as to his thoughts on the importance of cards, etc.
I don't think any form of creation is about deference to designer intent. When one makes something, they get to make it, but once it's out in the world, they don't get to determine what the response to it is or "should" be, nor do I think people should look back to them to do that.
If counter-examples are your thing, basically all forms of "competitive" Agricola, including the officially-sanctioned world championships, feature drafting. And we've had a bajillion card/deck expansions, compared to a single major game expansion (Farmers of the Moor).
If cards were the game like in Terraforming Mars, I don't think you'd be able to win without them.
If your opponents are playing remotely well, you aren't going to win a game of Agricola without card support.
I have my preferences, and I play by them, but I'm cool with whatever. That has nothing to do what Uwe thinks, despite my immense debt of gratitude to him for the game.
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Reply: Through the Desert:: General:: Re: New edition has printing errors on caravan tiles
by Goatcabin
For what it's worth: while this is a small annoyance, it doesn't hinder gameplay and isn't a big deal. (You just need to be aware of it at scoring time.) This isn't the kind of error I'd let hinder a purchase.↧
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Reply: Agricola:: General:: Re: To Draft or Not to Draft
by lucky henry
Depends on what I want at the time. Want as easier game? Draft. Want a tougher game? Don't draft.
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Reply: Agricola:: General:: Re: To Draft or Not to Draft
by evidence
If you don't draft, you're not a true Agricola player. I want everyone to have an equal chance of winning. I don't want to get a crap hand of cards and lose only because someone got a much better hand dealt to them. Similarly, I get no satisfaction when I win because I had the mack daddy occupations.I don't mind it in Race for the Galaxy, but Race is a 20min game with 2 people. But when I'm playing a 90min game, I don't want to be screwed by luck. Agricola is not a luck-based game. The better players generally win.
The 10-7 variant is a fine alternative if time is limited.
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Reply: Tash-Kalar: Arena of Legends:: General:: Re: Plans for an App version
by DarkFlame92
Indeed,this game is perfect for an app. Ofc they might not wanna do it,since it's not a popular or mainstream gameBut one can always hope
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Reply: Tash-Kalar: Arena of Legends:: General:: Re: I can't be the only one wanting a deluxe vertion
by DarkFlame92
count me in too!↧
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Reply: Agricola:: General:: Re: To Draft or Not to Draft
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Reply: Tash-Kalar: Arena of Legends:: General:: Re: Looking for a Legendary Summoner
by DarkFlame92
Great Legend to have,although a bit easy to summon↧
Reply: Agricola:: General:: Re: To Draft or Not to Draft
curmudgeon wrote:
I play Agricola about 30 times a year, and have been doing so since it was published. My group does not draft. I do believe that the cards can create an imbalance that cannot be overcome, even by the most skilled player (at least when the player with the good cards is equally skilled), but I would miss the subterfuge and planning that comes with hidden cards. There's nothing like manipulating an opponent to take a space (because they think you really need it) and then springing a card that accomplishes the same result as the space would have.
But then, I am a curmudgeon, and schadenfreude is my middle name.
But then, I am a curmudgeon, and schadenfreude is my middle name.
Interesting. I do think drafting makes the game easier as you have a sidecar of benefits and resources to bolster your decisions in the game, making them easier. If you have a ton of food (ton is a relative term, of course) from drafted cards to feed your family you’ve simply taken a huge concern out of the game that should be dealt with with carefully planned decisions.
I agree.
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Reply: Agricola:: General:: Re: To Draft or Not to Draft
ousgg wrote:
Interesting responses so far - I thought the consensus would swing the other way.
Me too. I’m really heartened by this!
:goo:
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Reply: Agricola:: General:: Re: To Draft or Not to Draft
by evidence
murksofus wrote:
evidence wrote:
If you don't draft, you're not a true Agricola player.
Wow. Just, wow.
If you're a competitive player, you would always draft. That's what I mean by a "true Agricola player." Play Agricola without a draft, knock yourself out. There are 200 other games on my shelf that I would rather play than draft-less Agricola.
Agricola is a brutal game with good players. Watching a player wipe the floor with your crap hand isn't fun. Games are supposed to be fun. Agricola, in my opinion, is not fun when you can't build, can't grow or raise anything, and can't upgrade anything when you're struggling to feed your meeples. Then you look over and the player across the table has constructed the Biltmore Estate and is slobbering over his endless supply of turkey legs.
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Reply: The Voyages of Marco Polo: Agents of Venice:: General:: Re: Does this expansion address any major gripes you had about the base game?
The only problem (other than the missing number on the score track) I have with the game is that it is too short. I know it's an odd complaint but the game just sails by for me.
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Reply: Agricola:: General:: Re: To Draft or Not to Draft
by astroglide
ousgg wrote:
Interesting responses so far - I thought the consensus would swing the other way.
When it comes to "lifestyle" games (MTG, Netrunner, minis, etc.), BGG selects for a relative casual player audience. I know we are talking about a site for niche gaming enthusiasts, but it's more of a broad/shallow thing than a narrow/deep thing, even though the hobby itself seems narrow to the rest of the world. If places like Play-Agricola were being polled, you'd get an overwhelmingly pro-draft perspective.
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